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War with Fox News? 
18th-Oct-2009 10:24 pm

I happened to see a few news articles on the supposed war between the Obama administration and the Fox news network.  Until now, I thought this was a joke - I could not imagine George Bush trying to "wage war" with any news station.  Then I read this on my friend's Facebook site:

www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/18/white-house-escalates-war-fox-news/

www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html

The first link was from Fox News itself and the second one is from the National Post, since I did want to be fair to President Obama's side of the story. Any opinions on this whole thing?
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19th-Oct-2009 02:10 pm (UTC) - Fox "News"
Forgetting for just a moment the current administration (which will be gone in 4-8 yrs) and focusing on Fox:

In listing the three weakest informational network news outlets, Fox comes in 7th. The fact that trillions of folks watch this outlet does not validate its journalistic certificate. It simply validates P.T. Barnum's general view of the public's bad taste and poor judgment, over half a century ago.
Personally I would rather listen/read the ridiculous musings of Ann Coulter, which are at least well written and cleverly composed vs watching any of the overpaid 'barkers' employed by Fox.
The fact that anyone references or writes about (including me unfortunately) this organization is beneath the dignity of the most ignorant human being.
19th-Oct-2009 06:31 pm (UTC) - Re: Fox "News"
In listing the three weakest informational network news outlets, Fox comes in 7th.

According to what criteria, and as ranked by who? (and if you're only listing 'three', how does anyone come in 'seventh'???)

IIRC, they are currently the leader in terms of audience among the cable channels, and catching up with the networks. I agree this certainly does not validate its journalistic credentials, but it does make it a significant force in terms of news reporting, good or bad.

And in terms of partisanship, I see little difference in kind between them and, say, MSNBC. All the 'news' networks have gone far, far away from unbiased reporting (ala Edward R. Murrow) and each have their slant. I don't see a lot of evidence these days to validate the other outlet's journalistic credentials, either.

Just because Fox's slant is not that of the current Administration is neither new nor surprising. What is surprising is that the Administration thought this was a winning strategy or a good idea.
19th-Oct-2009 10:11 pm (UTC) - Re: Fox "News"
Really don't disagree with anything you said.
MSNBC is the 'across the aisle' kissing cousin of Fox and, idealogies aside, competes avidly with Fox for the cellar position.
As far as the Administration goes, by "wrestling a 'pig' all they do is get muddy, and the 'pig' kind of enjoys it..." (Not my quote...wish it was.)

But any lucid person must see (I hope, I hope) that Fox is counter-informational, and while a rich venue for WWE style entertainment does not do the E R Murrow thing at all.
21st-Oct-2009 04:57 am (UTC) - Re: Fox "News"
Well ok, as long as you were not gonna try to say that MSNBC is "all honest news" with no slant. Quite honestly, I think the "Edward R Murrow" approach to journalism went out the window when ratings came into play for news organizations. Now it's all about sensationalism and "OMG OMTD!".

Also, what is news nowadays? If you listen to the media, The Gosselins and "Balloon Boy" are the biggest "news" stories around. This is considered by many to be news. Also, lots of TV stations are now including a "youtube" video (and the story behind it) as part of their local newscast.

Finally, I fact-check everything that comes out of an "opinion" news anchor any day, whether it be Bill O Reilly or Rachel Maddow.
27th-Oct-2009 04:19 pm (UTC) - Re: Fox "News"
Valid point: Staying truly 'up to speed' is at least time consuming, and for many difficult.

But if we (the world) want to have or support meaningful opinions, then prospecting for real facts, and the whole truth, is what must be done.

Personally I wish I were better at it. I must admit that adopting a cyinical approach (which is arguably just the other side of gulible) has become my modus operandi.
28th-Oct-2009 04:13 am (UTC) - Re: Fox "News"
I would rather be cynical and untrusting rather than gullible. Saves people money.
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